Human passions and love of others

The dialogue with Noureddine Mhakkak, Morrocan writer and poet, is a cultural journey into the worlds of Letters and the Arts. That is to say in the world of poetry, prose, cinema, painting, and photography on the one hand and in the world of current affairs too.

Noureddine Mhakkak (NM) According to Björk Gudmunsdottir: “Everything has to be done with passion. “. Could you tell us about the passion for love through films that you have already seen?

Julie Guégan (JG): I have many films in mind around passionate love! I start with the love that destroys and hurts, to gradually move towards tender passion and a form of truth that I seek to follow. In the films I’m about to talk about, the illusion of a powerful, genuine love that turns everything upside down takes precedence over logic and the rational. Finally, it is almost pathological, and I feel the urge to save them from themselves. We feel that they are destroying themselves in this passion and it is scary, in short, lots of emotions are transmitted. For me, who sees myself as a fighter, these stories speak to me because they make me want to stand up, take sides and take action. Thus, I want to evoke Polanski’s “Nuits Fauves”. One of my favorite movies. He speaks of human decadence with a skin-deep sensitivity that touches me. Getting lost in the other, pushing the limits, all with fascinating aesthetic research. Emmanuelle Seigner is feminine, free, and possessed at the same time. This is the paradox, and all I love about it. I have watched it many times, there are always more truths about the complexity of human nature being discovered. I like to be stimulated in this way, to be led to change my outlook, to transform myself a little as well. Also, I’m from the Lars Von Trier generation, so when the mood strikes me, I immerse myself in his crazy and quirky world and have a lot of fun. One of his most memorable films will remain for me “Breaking the waves”. It’s arguably one of the greatest love stories of all time. I don’t think we can get out of it unscathed because it is so disturbing. Then comes to mind “The lovers of the new bridge” by Leos Carax. Tied with the fabulous “37 ° 2 in the morning” by Jean-Jacques Beineix. You are going to say that I like lost personalities, fragile but deep down, beyond these characteristics, what I am looking for is the fusion of souls. That I also find in “The murderous summer” by Jean Becker or “Noce Blanche” by Jean-Claude Brisseau. Love heralds a loss for the protagonists, and I almost want to follow them in their downfall! And then, no … I realize that’s not what I want. I do not give in to the temptation of suffering that would make you vibrate, which would give you a feeling of living. And I prefer softer, more tender, more romantic films to them. So the real girl that I am ends up in pretty, rose-tinted stories. Like the films of Alexandre Jardin, “Fanfan” or “the Zebra”. It’s a passion too, but it’s cute. It feels good. We would like to find such a serene love. A form of an ideal is found between the two genders. Between passion and tenderness. What then would be the most similar story to me? I believe it’s when two people come together around the same passion, giving them stimulating conversations forever. I quote Beauvoir and Sartre, the Obama, the Curie,,… I dream of finding my project partner. The one who will be able to understand my passion, my choices, my need to do things my way. But beyond me, I need the other to inspire me, to admire him deeply, through his personality, his strength, his integrity, and his benevolence. Strangely, I’m not on a quest, my little finger tells me, that the work I must pursue on me, first. And if this man happens … by magic, then I think we will both move towards an achievement, which will be more important than ourselves. I am looking for a film which would make this description less abstract in the eyes of our readers, and I am thinking of “Camille Claudel” by Bruno Nuytten. Besides, I love to sculpt.

NM: We can consider passion as a positive feeling according to Denis Robert It is better to lose yourself in your passion than to lose your passion. “. What do you think?

JG: In the case of Camille Claudel and Auguste Rodin, we can see that the passion has been prolific and therefore positive. Would they have produced so many masterpieces, if they had stayed away from each other? Obviously, if we look at their relationship, we quickly see that there wasn’t much that was healthy between them. But I don’t see any point in delving into their privacy because what matters to me is to move towards a passion that carries and not one that devours. A love that would grow with the admiration we have for the other, their struggles, their values ​​, and their principles. A love that would respect and encourage. Free and whose care and limits would be at the heart. For the best of things, I’ll be patient. I have done everything very quickly so far. For real love, I want to take the time. Dear Noureddine, your quote also tells us something else. It talks to us about getting lost rather than losing. And I recognize here my life course. I am not someone who stops in the face of hardship. Above all, I don’t freeze in front of pretty dreams. In the past, passion has won me over. It taught me that in all circumstances you have to keep a wide eye on the ground. But overall, never in my life have I hesitated to lose myself in order to live out my passions. I even call myself a guinea pig. So imagine my poor mom how she suffered with me. I remember how from a young age I had to go on an adventure. So far I’ve been someone it was difficult to bend, marry, or even give on an indefinite contract. I need to maintain control over who I want to become because I have a lot of ideas and a very clear vision. But as I told you in a previous article, I understood that rigidity is a terrible flaw, and through these assumptions, I show you that I am not following my principles. I join Sartre when he reassures us of our freedom by telling us that we are de facto free. That our existence is what precedes our essence, and therefore that I should not be afraid to immerse myself in society, without nets. I was often scared when I was little, but I have to leave the past where it is, now that I have tried so hard to assimilate it. This past doesn’t have to come back now, without my asking it to. The time for balls hanging from my ankle is over. They pulled me too far behind for nothing. I cling to who I am and not to beliefs placed in me. Oh ! I feel very responsible for a few as well. And I come back to what interests me. I am both curious and very inspired by the journeys of life. I’ve always had this need to admire those who do great things. I must say, I am inspired by the men and women who have a grain of madness and enormous courage! I am passionate about rock’n’roll stories, about those who are not afraid of anything and who go above and beyond. And it’s true, from a young age, I needed to ask questions to the adults who visited us. Those who attracted me with their values, their eccentricity, their great humanism too. Those who didn’t have much to do with what will be said. It’s quite a job to become that, I am sometimes told of my videos that they lack authenticity, that I am superficial in them. It’s hard to hear becauee I am not like that at all in life. Kierkergaard tells us that you are being in the making and so I aspire to bridge the gap between what I am and I what I want to be. Little by little, I therefore hope that the being in the making will represent my deep values ​​and my aspirations. The day no one tells me I look shallow on my YouTube channel is the day I would have done it. I’m working on it ! I believe I told you before, I really had incredible ancestors, and somewhere it obliges. My great-grandmother Laetitia, for example, an Italian immigrant, whose name is now inscribed on the wall of the righteous in Jerusalem. An honor to match her extraordinary courage, as a widow she had hidden a Jewish child and couple under occupation. And when I think of her, I also remember the jokes uttered with the singing southern accent. Ah, we know how to laugh in the south!

NM: The relationship with others is a positive passion according to Henri Duvernois “Passion is the love of others …”. What is your opinion on this?

JG: So without thinking too much, reading your question, I immediately see three books, which were all very important to me: La Vie Devant Soi by Romain Gary, L’Écume des jours by Boris Vian and La fée Carabine by Daniel Pennac. Stories of life in community, all in poetry. Because living together, is an art and my research object for so many years now. If Boris Vian were here today, he would no doubt tell us in his own way how much pity we all inspire, with our post-industrial mentalities. How many today they are leading us right into the wall. We had to produce, move everywhere and be busy. And so, we’ve never worked as hard as we do today. Above all, what for? If the result of our labours is to destroy the planet a little more each day, I think it would be good to start slowing down. I dream of a world where no one (and no species!) feels alone, helpless and abandoned in our society. And what would be fun, in my opinion, is to do all this collective mourning work, very deep and intense, in the joy and lightness that these books inspire in me. We would find it amusing to look our illusions in the face and see them go away, so as not to have to worry anymore! Behind an apparent simplicity, one would hide the complexity, and perhaps a little the horror of what we did, while we were half-asleep. I want people to think that we were wrong, that it is happening, but that we have to stop there now. In fact, I refuse to let us not react. So at my small level, I try to raise awareness.

NM: According to Robert Sabatier “Laughter sweetens tears”. What would you say about these words?

JG: That you are talking to a convert! I am a big fan of laughter yoga. Before I start a very serious meeting, I have fun bringing the room with me to a giggle session. It loosens up, releases tension, and it’s crazy how laughing together can bring people together. I know that the body heals the mind and that it can make us love something, just as it can make us hate it. When I’m sad, I call on my body. I run, I jump everywhere, I smile, I laugh … And I thus fool my brain or my crying heart. Laughter is sugar, because it tastes so good. Once you start, you just want to keep going. What a joy to surround yourself with friends or colleagues with whom you can laugh! I had a rather sarcastic humour for a long time, until I found out that it was nothing positive. So gradually, I am learning not to provoke so much, and I help my older son a little bit, who inherited my humour, through my efforts. In the meantime, I admit, I read Kundera, Ionesco, Desproges… And I enjoy them so much! I say it today in an almost shameful way. This is life, it is so good to get off the right path sometimes. Maybe that makes the laughter even better, by the way! At the same time, nothing pleases me more than seeing a rigid person burst out laughing. We tell ourselves that it heals itself, and this healing is contagious. A halo of light that envelops us. It warms up and makes us travel outside the too serious time in which we operate.

NM: According to this quote “The optimist laughs to forget; the pessimist forgets to laugh. Tell us about these two worldviews.

JG: For a long time, I felt like laughter should be earned. As long as I had toxic emotions, such as guilt, shame, or humiliation, I couldn’t really let go of laughing. Deep down, I would have experienced it as an offense to myself and to those I love. Today, I think that’s a decoy. As I said above, I believe that we laugh even more when we are humble humans. I have lots of friends that I love to laugh with, but most of all I have my shelters. Spaces which for me are promises of laughter baths. And so, I turn to Louis de Funès, Coluche, Bourvil, Raymond Devos, Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, Ben Stiller, François L’embrouille… For these actors, I admit, I am a very good audience. It doesn’t take much for me to literally explode into laughter. But I continue to reflect on the conditions for laughter. You know, I’ve been “too” my whole life. “Too” happy, “too” free, “too” crazy, “too” wise, “too” different, “too” me … This is how I was called around me and how I was seen. . However, the gaze that is given to us as children defines us for a long time, and even in adulthood. I realize that like many, I have empowered others. I even really think that I went looking in my life for people who loved each other a little too much, to make up for the fact that I didn’t love myself that much. This is normal, since I was “too”. I had to be managed. How could I have reassured myself? I wasn’t able to. But self-confidence is already trusting yourself (which in my case is trusting my vision, which has never been mainstream to be honest). It was therefore when I undertook to accept what I was and to see that I could even be loved for that, and by recognizing both my uniqueness and what it could bring to our society, that I have found peace and confidence. Today, I am free from the need to have my hand held by others, like in a parent-child relationship. And I open a new parenthesis about how long it is time to stop hiding and laughing. We blame ourselves for laughing for things that are serious or just shameful, for laughing when we hardly have the right to. It would be so good to find total letting go. To laugh to the fullest and even if you have stuck food, yellow teeth, or a duck voice. The freedom to laugh is for everyone, for all of us to know how to appreciate it at its true value. And through magical laughter, our society would spread the halo of light, which would heal us and set us all free. Not of ourselves, of not being “enough” or “too much” but of the illusion that we can exist alone, one without the other.

The original article was published in French and in a shorter version on Al Bayane

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